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| See Lineage in file should any indications of parents arise ______________________________ Subject: Re: George Woodward Shanks Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:49:40 -0700 From: robert l alvey <bobalvey@juno.com> To: clmjr@abanet.org CC: mdbud@yahoo.com, tatem@winco.net, iobrist@mail.win.org, mreich@infoave.net, jamesduke@hotmail.com, wjf@flash.net, muddhaven@earthlink.net, charris4@bellsouth.net, ssinc@midwest.net, LFHalter@aol.com, llauner@columbus.rr.com Charles, I can only comment as to my records and my listing for your Susannah Shanks is not well documented. But I list Susannah Shanks who married Cornelius Carrico on Jan 27, 1806 in Nelson Co, KY per Nelson Co, KY Marriage records as a daughter of Thomas Shanks and Susannah Unknown (Gordon per James Duke). She would be the sister to Thomas Shanks who married (1803) Sarah Woodherd and Charles Shanks who married (1812) Lydia A Wethington. The parents of Cornelius is open for debate, I have no good document to connect him to anyone. If you have something I would appreciate knowing. My Ggrandparents on my fathers side were James Michael Carrico and Ann Missouri Pike. Both are buried in the St Patrick's Catholic Cemetery on Fort Knox, Hardin Co, KY. James Michael Carrico was a grandson of Thomas Ignatius Carrico and Elizabeth Kirby. I list Cornelius as b. abt 1772 in Charles Co, MD where most of the Carrico's lived before coming to KY. I found him on the 1850 Washington Co, KY census living with his son Edward and family and was listed as age 78 b. MD. I have no idea when he died but from one of the members of the Carrico discussion group, it was shown he died in Nelson Co, KY. Most often I Cornelius listed as the son of James Carrico (brother to Thomas Ignatius) and Elizabeth Clement but some find this connection appalling, see cut and paste below. I cannot be sure but I do show him as the son of James Carrcio and Elizabeth Clement per the Filson Club Quarterly, also below. !SOURCE: The Filson Club History Quarterly Vol. 25 The Carrico Family by Homer Edwin Carrico of Dallas TX pages 235/236. The children of James Carrico were: James Carrico, Jr., John Martin Carrico, Precy (Percy?) Carrico, Margaret Carrico, Tabitha Carrico, Dennis Carrico, Cornelius Carrico, Walter Carrico, Tresy (Theresa?) Carrico, Deborah Carrico, Vincent Carrico and Alexander Carrico. WARNING: Some sources give the parents of Cornelius as James & Elizabeth (CLEMENT) CARRICO. There is no mention of a Cornelius in James's estate inventory. Some sources give Henry & Susanna (__?__) CARRICO as his parents, but Henry is too young (b. 1773) and his son is a different Cornelius CARRICO. Others say Cornelius is Henry's brother, making him son of Bartholomew & Winefred "Kitty" (PADGETT) CARRICO. However, the 1790 Census shows Bartholomew with only one son born before 1774 — so, if the only hard evidence you have argues against your case, it's time to stop making the case, at least until you find something that supports it. The bottom line is we do not know who Cornelius's parents were, and we may never know, but until we know, we should stop guessing. It only makes finding the truth harder. Diana Gale MATTHIESEN http://www.geocities.com/netmgr98/Carrico/main_carr.html Bob Alvey On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:01:49 -0400 "Charles Mudd Jr." <clmjr@abanet.org> writes: > > > Where does Susanna Shanks fit in to what has been discovered? > > Charles Mudd > ______________________________ Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:13:42 -0500 Leontine Launer <llauner@columbus.rr.com> Pat hope the move is smooth! First of all, the little brown booklet privately published may have been lost in my own move 4 years ago. It was written by a Shanks descendent and described the incident in Bourbon Co, KY. I in turn got it from my late cousin's papers. He wrote the author who replied that he knew of no connection to our Shanks. Then, I found in "Memoirs of the Lower Ohio Valley" a biography of John Shanks, born 1800 in Dearborn Co, Indiana. "His father, Michael Shanks came to KY in a very early day, and there is parents and all his brothers and sisters were killed by the Indians except one sister, (Susanna) who was carried into captivity and was never heard of afterwards." (she escaped and survived) Michael Shanks served in 1812 under Gen. Wm. H. Harrison. There's more about John, and the only value is that I believe he is related however distantly. Leontine ___________________________ Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:30:35 -0500 Leontine Launer <llauner@columbus.rr.com> "Early Kentucky Settlers" Filson Club History Qtrly Robert Shanks and Thomas Shanks mentioned as witnesses in will of Wm. Forwood. Marriages: Nelson Co. John Shanks/Lydia Reynolds, 20 Apr 1797 Joseph Shanks/Susannah Goldsmith, 18Feb 1772 Abner Shanks/Mary Hurley, 7 Jan 1783 Thomas Shanks age 29 in 1776, Susannah Shanks age 20 David Shanks b. 1770 / Mary b. 1814 married in Harrison Co, KY. All the Shanks boys born in Maryland! Leontine _____________________ From: pcarico@frontier <pcarico@frontiernet.net> To: Pat Obrist <iobrist@mail.win.org> Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] John SHANKS, Sr. (1754-1829) Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 Hi Pat, I am also a Carrico researcher and know of Susannah Shanks. She was married to Thomas O'Bryan in Washington Co., KY then to Cornelius Carrico in 1906 in Nelson Co., KY. From there they went to Fancy Farm, Graves Co., KY. Any Help? If so, please fill me in on the Shanks Family. Thanks, Pam Carico _____________________ POSSIBLE FATHER: 1. JOHN1 SHANKS, SR. was born 1754 in St. Mary's Co, MD> Nelson>Hardin Co., KY1, and died March 23, 1829 in Meade Co., KY. He married ANN BROWN in Maryland. She was born Abt. 1755 in (Is she ANN BROWN?) NOT PROVEN!!!!!, and died Aft. 1829. ___________________________ Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:11:20 -0500 Leontine Launer <llauner@columbus.rr.com> Pat, Having not touched genealogy in months, I now have difficulty finding the John C. Shanks I know I saw. However there is a Daniel Rogers who acted as bondsman for Susanna Shanks and Cornelius Carrico in 1806, Nelson County. does that help? I will continue looking for John. The Shanks family is complicated by the wipe-out of a Shanks family by Indians. Two escaped, a brother who wasn't there at the time and wasn't aware of his sister's escape and survival. Leontine ___________________________ Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:28:49 -0600 "Pat Obrist" <iobrist@mail.win.org> Say, Charles, are you a desc. of Cornelius CARRICO a-n-d Susanna SHANKS? I am a SHANKS desc. also. Unfortunately I am missing the St. Mary's Co. - Nelson Co. link. I'd be happy to send you what I have. Susanna may very well be a sibling of my Elizabeth SHANKS who married Charles STEWART April 25, 1806 in Nelson Co. Note the dates of Elizabeth and Susanna SHANKS marriages are both in Nelson Co. 1806. Also a Thomas SHANKS married a Sally WOODHERD January 09, 1803 in Nelson Co. I think her parents are John and Ann SHANKS. Further I suspect that the SHANKS gentlemen in St. Mary's Co., Henry, John and Peter, may be other children. I have not found a SHANKS desc. with whom to bounce ideas! I am half afraid that you may be all too willing! I do have more and am willing to share. Pat Bishop Obrist | ||||||||||||||||
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| See Lineage in file should any indications of parents arise 7-31-00 Posted by: Jody Hamabata Date: February 27, 2000 at 13:59:47 In Reply to: Shanks Massacre Bourbon County, KY by Krealyn Brecht of 484 I have a copy of "The Shanks Family Massacre" which I got from a Web Page about a year ago...It isn't there anymore. It occurred in Bourbon Co., Ky on a Saturday night March 22, 1788. The family of Christian Shanks(deceased prior to massacre). Michael was the oldest son. The indians killed Michael's mother Catherine. Michael survived the massacre, several of his brothers and sisters did not survive. Susan one of the surviving sisters went to live with the Clark family...she became Susan Clark and later married William Rice. Michael and two sisters Susan and Betsy were the only survivors. I can send you what I have. Jody ______________________________ Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:13:42 -0500 Leontine Launer <llauner@columbus.rr.com> Pat hope the move is smooth! First of all, the little brown booklet privately published may have been lost in my own move 4 years ago. It was written by a Shanks descendent and described the incident in Bourbon Co, KY. I in turn got it from my late cousin's papers. He wrote the author who replied that he knew of no connection to our Shanks. Then, I found in "Memoirs of the Lower Ohio Valley" a biography of John Shanks, born 1800 in Dearborn Co, Indiana. "His father, Michael Shanks came to KY in a very early day, and there is parents and all his brothers and sisters were killed by the Indians except one sister, (Susanna) who was carried into captivity and was never heard of afterwards." (she escaped and survived) Michael Shanks served in 1812 under Gen. Wm. H. Harrison. There's more about John, and the only value is that I believe he is related however distantly. Leontine ___________________________ Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:30:35 -0500 Leontine Launer <llauner@columbus.rr.com> "Early Kentucky Settlers" Filson Club History Qtrly Robert Shanks and Thomas Shanks mentioned as witnesses in will of Wm. Forwood. Marriages: Nelson Co. John Shanks/Lydia Reynolds, 20 Apr 1797 Joseph Shanks/Susannah Goldsmith, 18Feb 1772 Abner Shanks/Mary Hurley, 7 Jan 1783 Thomas Shanks age 29 in 1776, Susannah Shanks age 20 David Shanks b. 1770 / Mary b. 1814 married in Harrison Co, KY. All the Shanks boys born in Maryland! Leontine _____________________ From: pcarico@frontier <pcarico@frontiernet.net> To: Pat Obrist <iobrist@mail.win.org> Subject: Re: [KYNELSON-L] John SHANKS, Sr. (1754-1829) Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 Hi Pat, I am also a Carrico researcher and know of Susannah Shanks. She was married to Thomas O'Bryan in Washington Co., KY then to Cornelius Carrico in 1906 in Nelson Co., KY. From there they went to Fancy Farm, Graves Co., KY. Any Help? If so, please fill me in on the Shanks Family. Thanks, Pam Carico _____________________ POSSIBLE FATHER: 1. JOHN1 SHANKS, SR. was born 1754 in St. Mary's Co, MD> Nelson>Hardin Co., KY1, and died March 23, 1829 in Meade Co., KY. He married ANN BROWN in Maryland. She was born Abt. 1755 in (Is she ANN BROWN?) NOT PROVEN!!!!!, and died Aft. 1829. ___________________________ Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:11:20 -0500 Leontine Launer <llauner@columbus.rr.com> Pat, Having not touched genealogy in months, I now have difficulty finding the John C. Shanks I know I saw. However there is a Daniel Rogers who acted as bondsman for Susanna Shanks and Cornelius Carrico in 1806, Nelson County. does that help? I will continue looking for John. The Shanks family is complicated by the wipe-out of a Shanks family by Indians. Two escaped, a brother who wasn't there at the time and wasn't aware of his sister's escape and survival. Leontine ___________________________ Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:28:49 -0600 "Pat Obrist" <iobrist@mail.win.org> Say, Charles, are you a desc. of Cornelius CARRICO a-n-d Susanna SHANKS? I am a SHANKS desc. also. Unfortunately I am missing the St. Mary's Co. - Nelson Co. link. I'd be happy to send you what I have. Susanna may very well be a sibling of my Elizabeth SHANKS who married Charles STEWART April 25, 1806 in Nelson Co. Note the dates of Elizabeth and Susanna SHANKS marriages are both in Nelson Co. 1806. Also a Thomas SHANKS married a Sally WOODHERD January 09, 1803 in Nelson Co. I think her parents are John and Ann SHANKS. Further I suspect that the SHANKS gentlemen in St. Mary's Co., Henry, John and Peter, may be other children. I have not found a SHANKS desc. with whom to bounce ideas! I am half afraid that you may be all too willing! I do have more and am willing to share. Pat Bishop Obrist | ||||||||||||||||
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| Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:07:38 EST TomCNash@aol.com I used as my source [that James T. was Cornelius' father] the Washington County, Kentucky Bicentennial Book 1792-1992 published by the Turner Publishing Company page 251. Unfortunately I found in the same book, different article, a reference to Cornelius Carrico son of Henry and Susanna Carrico of Charles Co., Maryland, page 245. _______________________ Sun, 3 Jan 1999 05:28:34 EST Icollmugs@aol.com Katherine & Charles, I have it from a couple different sourses that there are two different Cornelius Carrico's and one is freely distributed from <ftoon@mail.coos.or.us> he has a database that lists the younger one that did marry Teresa O'Bryan on May 24, 1823 at St. Rose Church in Washington Co., KY. This Cornelius was born 1798 and the son of Henry Carrico. This is of the Bartholomew Carrico line. As is the first one, of Bartholomew Carrico, also, if my other sourse is correct as he was brother to Henry and the one born 1772 that did marry Susanna Shanks in Nelson Co, KY Jan. 27, 1806, They did have two children that I am sure of Edward and Ann but I do not have a birth date for her. Edward did marry Matilda Dillehay, and I have five children listed for him all born between 1837-1848. But I do not have information on the Ann Carrico. <<http://www.coos.or.us/~ftoon>>> This is where the Toon database is located as well as the Burch database and both contain Carrico information. I was terribly confused myself till I found that Frank Toon was also connected to Teresa O'Bryan and she is of my line as I am of Gertrude E. (O'Bryan) Fugate born MO, 1905 but her father was also a Francis O'Bryan born Nov 3, 1853 in Washington Co., KY. He was the Grandson of Francis Hilary O'Bryan brother to Teresa O'Bryan m Cornelius Carrico. Also his wife or my GGGrandmother was also Teresa Carrico. The fact that Nathanial of Barton m Anne and Helen married Walter Carrico, and Teresa O'Bryan m Cornelius Carrico, besides my own being a Carrico, I was intrested in the Carrico line from the start but am not saying my information is absolutely as I have said but having four from Ignatius O'Bryan's children marry them, I feel this is far more accurate! From more than one sourse but the ones that have it this way are also connected to the second Cornelius! Feel free to write me if you question this as I only found the facts myself in past few months! Pauline Stubbs I do hope this helps you on the two C. Carrico's!" _______________________ CNIDR Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 71) ================================= ======================================== Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:04:38 EDT From: <Icollmugs@aol.com> To: CARRICO-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c18cb83f.2520c566@aol.com> Subject: [CARRICO] Cornelius Carrico Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is for information regarding the two main questioned Cornelius Carrico's one b 1772 the other 1798! They both married in KY! Cornelius Carrico b 1772 m Susanna Shanks left a deed found by researchers earlier than me by far! But the Deed came from microfilm Serial No 241,396 copied at the Genealogical Library by William Morton and comes from Washington County, Kentucky Deeds, Books S-T 1851-1855 p.90 If need be I would try to type this full copy as best I can, but although I can make out the most of it I would find that it would best be gotten from the original source if any should question what it says in the short summery I have here! Carrico Deed to Carrico being Cornelius Carrico and son Edward Carrico in the year 1851. In the consideration of land, the sum of one thousand dollars payable by the said Edward Carrico to the two remaining heirs Treasy O'Brian and Ann Brewer wife of George Brewer, notes of the sum of $500.00 each payable three months after my death. To Edward a certain piece or parasol of land in Washington Co. of Kentucky I now live on supposed to contain one hundred and thirty acres. To assign forever to son Edward Carrico and heirs the land. Upon the payment of the two notes one to each daughter for the said amount of $500.00 each he then has the full property rights! This seems to be the facts; that Ann Carrico b February 07, 1807, m George Brewer was a sister to Teresa Carrico b October 25, 1808 m Francis Hilary O'Bryan (O'Brian) November 04, 1823, and were sisters to Edward Carrico b 1810 m Matilda Dillehay, all of Washington Co., KY at the time they married. And Tresy was the same Teresa that m Francis Hilary O'Bryan. With the parents of these children being Cornelius Carrico b 1772 m Susanna Shanks, January 27, 1806. Cornelius Carrico b 1798 was the Cornelius Carrico that m the sister of Francis Hilary O'Bryan, being Teresa O'Bryan b 1797, m May 24, 1823. The bond for this marriage was signed by Francis H. O'Bryan and after the death of Francis H. in 1832 the repayment of the bond was to Teresa O'Bryan(t) and 4 male heirs, all of which were minors at that time. Being: Edward, James Robert, Ignatius D. and Francis H. Jr., witnessed by Edward Carrico and ? Edward O'Bryan. The younger Cornelius was the s/o Henry Carrico of Bartholomew of Peter! And this research that I have attained with this strongly suggests that both the younger Cornelius and Henry Carrico were the nephews of the older Cornelius Carrico! But as I have nothing that says Cornelius Carrico m Susanna Shanks, is of Bartholomew of Peter, I do know that the list of children from the document of the settlement of James of Peter d 1803 intestate does not list a Cornelius Carrico among the listed children when this document was on the list some time back! Pauline Stubbs ____________________________ Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:39:25 EST Icollmugs@aol.com In a message dated 12/17/1999 10:41:32 PM Central Standard Time, muddhaven@earthlink.net writes: << Did you ever receive further verification that Edward is the son of Cornelius wife of Susanna Shanks? Charles>> Charles, I have a microfilm copy of the deed from Cornelius Carrico to Edward Carrico with the two notes totaling $1,000.00 to be paid 3 months after his death to both Ann w/o George Brewer and Teresa O'Brien, (she was a widow by the time Cornelius Carrico died!) In it, it states the name of Edward's wife as Matilda. Ann born February 07, 1807 Teresa b October 25, 1808 source of actual birthdate is on her Grave marker and in her last will. Edward's wife was Matilda Dillehay m as Matilda! But is listed as Mary Catherine in some later documents! But the facts are the same m Feb 24, 1835 and they did have 6 known children, but I may have missed some along the way as they are not listed in the will of Cornelius Carrico dated 1851 in Washington Co, KY. She was the d/o J. Dillehay and the bondsman for the marriage was John C. Dilhehay. (M) T. H. Gibbons. However these facts on Edward were all I had for this Cornelius Carrico m Susanna Shanks prior to getting the microfilm of the deed. Someone else furnished the name for Ann from IN records and I later found some of her children listed in the Register for St. Rose Catholic Church, Springfield, Washington Co, KY! And the Marriage is listed there also, George Brewer m Ann Carrico January 08, 1827, (M) Richard P. Miles, Bondsman John A. Harbin Bk 2-41, and listed again in Bk 2 -28, have no reason for being listed twice for the same people same date! Washington Co, KY. Susanna Shanks m Cornelius Carrico January 27, 1806, Nelson Co, KY! The microfilm no is on that posting I made to the Carrico-L list! It can be located at Rootweb.com under Carrico-L, postings! I hope this clears up what I do have as proof on any of these three listed children of Cornelius Carrico and Susanna Shanks! Pauline Stubbs | ||||||||||||||||
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| No Will in Washington County Kentucky (Not in Index to Probate, 1792-1869, Washington County Wills 1792-1853). Per letter from Linda Anderson (in Carrico file, no further quotes needed). | ||||||||||||||||
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